Re: Helen Zia - Last Boat Out Of Shanghai 13:04 by ♭♫ [+-]
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According to Helen Zia's research in the link above, during the period when Shanghai first opened up to the outside world as a free trading port, the city had a large thriving Cantonese population who arrived as commercial traders where today they identify as Shanghainese but still continue speaking Cantonese even among 4th generation Shanghainese of Cantonese descent (I believe a segment of the Cantonese people from Shanghai finally escaped to both Taipei and Hong Kong after the Nationalists lost the Civil War to Mao thus forming the nucleus of the entrepreneurial spirit of both Taiwan and Hong Kong). For me, this enlightening revelation solves the historic mystery why The Americas was mostly dominated by Taishanese labor migrants followed by Zhongshanese labor migrants instead of Cantonese merchant migrants from the mid-1800's onward for not only were the native Cantonese filling the population void in Hong Kong but Shanghai, Singapore, Yokohama, Saigon, and eventually Taipei (& Hong Kong) indirectly via Shanghai thus culminating with interesting links of trade networks back to Hong Kong that made Hong Kong the powerhouse it is or was.
According to Helen Zia's research in the link above, during the period when Shanghai first opened up to the outside world as a free trading port, the city had a large thriving Cantonese population who arrived as commercial traders where today they identify as Shanghainese but still continue speaking Cantonese even among 4th generation Shanghainese of Cantonese descent (I believe a segment of the Cantonese people from Shanghai finally escaped to both Taipei and Hong Kong after the Nationalists lost the Civil War to Mao thus forming the nucleus of the entrepreneurial spirit of both Taiwan and Hong Kong). For me, this enlightening revelation solves the historic mystery why The Americas was mostly dominated by Taishanese labor migrants followed by Zhongshanese labor migrants instead of Cantonese merchant migrants from the mid-1800's onward for not only were the native Cantonese filling the population void in Hong Kong but Shanghai, Singapore, Yokohama, Saigon, and eventually Taipei (& Hong Kong) indirectly via Shanghai thus culminating with interesting links of trade networks back to Hong Kong that made Hong Kong the powerhouse it is or was.
Re: Huawei Is A 🇨🇳Trojan🐎...which will choke off your civil liberties & national sovereignty..it will be too late /w no where to hide if you complain about democratic institutions being compromised by 🇨🇳. 06:11 by Mark [+-]
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@ Mark -- here's another example of what Huawei and communist-authoritarianism has to do with learning Cantonese -- and I'll ask you this question first --
Do you prefer the use of 吃, 給, and 看 here? Or would you prefer 食，俾，睇？
Personally I favor using Cantonese specific characters (食,俾,睇), but I also am learning SWC characters using Cantonese pronunciation so I can watch HK news and be able to read/write in formal situations. I see Chinese characters as dialect independent, so I'm not quite seeing where is the connection to using SWC and CCP "soft power"??
I know what you mean about the cantonese101 having some lessons with SWC in the dialog learning sections. I agree and think they should separate the spoken Cantonese from the standard writing characters, or at least make it clear what is spoken vs standard written.
While I agree with your cause, it's not what I am coming to cantonese.sheik.co.uk to learn about. Due to the fact that there are so many political posts now, I just feel like they deserve their own section because it seems like it has become the main topic these days. Not only are so many posts political, the subject (which was referred to as "discussion provoking"
are just statements. Not questions. This is not promoting healthy discussion, this is promoting arguments imho.Anyway, I'm probably not gonna visit this forum much more in the future. I'm just interested in learning Cantonese. Mainly the spoken, but also the written using Traditional characters, and there's a ton of places I can do that now without all this political BS. Go ahead flame me and Mr K as CCP agents if you want, I actually don't care. I wish everyone the very best on their Cantonese learning endeavors. Take care!
Best regards,
Mark
Jason Zhang - 只有你不知道 02:13 by ♭♫ [+-]
Re: Huawei Is A 🇨🇳Trojan🐎...which will choke off your civil liberties & national sovereignty..it will be too late /w no where to hide if you complain about democratic institutions being compromised by 🇨🇳. 02/29/2020 by alexander3833994 [+-]
@ Mark -- here's another example of what Huawei and communist-authoritarianism has to do with learning Cantonese -- and I'll ask you this question first --
Do you prefer the use of 吃, 給, and 看 here? Or would you prefer 食，俾，睇？
吃,
hek3
eat
一家人吃過早餐。
jat1 gaa1 jan4 hek3 gwo3 zou2 caan1
The family ate breakfast.
給 (v)
kap1
give
父親在給兒子硬幣。
fu6 can1 zoi6 kap1 ji4 zi2 ngaang6 bai6
The father is giving coins to his son.
看 (v)
hon3
see
遊客看了日落。
jau4 haak3 hon3 liu5 jat6 lok6
The tourists watched the sunset [www.cantoneseclass101.com].
Yo are observing sentences from the website, Cantonese 101, which tries to implant SWC into Cantonese learning and remove VWC or Vernacular Written Cantonese in the teaching of Cantonese.
Look closer too at this website: the illness can be observed when the self-proclaimed moderator of "Cantonese Discussion" on this website -- a communist troll masquerading a a "Mr. K" -- consistently writes using SWC rather than SWC (Standard Written Cantonese) (see the discussion here [www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk]). For example, the thing referred to as a "Mr. K" uses such characters as 的 instead of 嘅; 是instead of 係; 不instead of 唔; 不有instead of 冇. Yes, imagine that, a thing called Mr K, an agent for the CCP "soft power," somehow got to be the moderator of Cantonese Discussion?? This agent for CCP "soft power" would have you speaking and writing using such characters as 的 instead of 嘅; 是 instead of 係; 不instead of 唔; 不有instead of 冇, etc. etc. Politics is seeking to undermine the Cantonese language. Hence language must defend itself against politics.
Do you prefer the use of 吃, 給, and 看 here? Or would you prefer 食，俾，睇？
吃,
hek3
eat
一家人吃過早餐。
jat1 gaa1 jan4 hek3 gwo3 zou2 caan1
The family ate breakfast.
給 (v)
kap1
give
父親在給兒子硬幣。
fu6 can1 zoi6 kap1 ji4 zi2 ngaang6 bai6
The father is giving coins to his son.
看 (v)
hon3
see
遊客看了日落。
jau4 haak3 hon3 liu5 jat6 lok6
The tourists watched the sunset [www.cantoneseclass101.com].
Yo are observing sentences from the website, Cantonese 101, which tries to implant SWC into Cantonese learning and remove VWC or Vernacular Written Cantonese in the teaching of Cantonese.
Look closer too at this website: the illness can be observed when the self-proclaimed moderator of "Cantonese Discussion" on this website -- a communist troll masquerading a a "Mr. K" -- consistently writes using SWC rather than SWC (Standard Written Cantonese) (see the discussion here [www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk]). For example, the thing referred to as a "Mr. K" uses such characters as 的 instead of 嘅; 是instead of 係; 不instead of 唔; 不有instead of 冇. Yes, imagine that, a thing called Mr K, an agent for the CCP "soft power," somehow got to be the moderator of Cantonese Discussion?? This agent for CCP "soft power" would have you speaking and writing using such characters as 的 instead of 嘅; 是 instead of 係; 不instead of 唔; 不有instead of 冇, etc. etc. Politics is seeking to undermine the Cantonese language. Hence language must defend itself against politics.
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Mark
What exactly does this have to do with learning Cantonese, or Chinese culture?
Not even any discussion, just spamming links to everyone....
The way 🇨🇳 spreads propaganda thru "soft power" is remarkably similar to how coronavirus spreads...(undetected until it is too late to do anything about it) 02/29/2020 by ♭♫ [+-]
Could announcing "The Emperor Has No Clothes" outside China get you a 10 year prison sentence inside China? 02/29/2020 by ♭♫ [+-]
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Victims Lucky Not To Have Been Killed 02/28/2020 by ♭♫ [+-]
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Disgusting. Black people in SF think that the Chinese are racist towards them. Well I wonder why? Black people are violent and hostile towards Chinese people in San Francisco. There are some amazing people in the black community but so many of them hold these hostile views of the Chinese. Why is this, envy perhaps? The Chinese are the most hated group in all of SF, equally hated by Hispanics African Americans Whites and everyone else it seems
Re: need explainations about 嘅 (ge3) 02/27/2020 by ♭♫ [+-]
Unlike Mandarin...Cantonese is much more forgiving with tones so don't worry if you make mistakes with that.
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Thank you very much.
I understand exactly where I was wrong. Due to my laziness ( laugh ), I decided that it was not THAT important to make the difference between the ge3 and ge2. And as i try to understand the ge3 with the cantolounge since the beginning and they didn't really speak of the ge2, I supposed that the ge3 was the one most used, most important. I was wrong.
Your second link will be very helpful.
So i must go back to the beginning, train my ears to make the difference with the two tones. I must learn all about the ge2.
Then i will go back to my songs and see if it was a ge2 or ge3 and i'm sure it will be clear.
By the way, i made also a big mistake in the I sentence, not seeing the difference between the dei6 (earth) and dei6 (plural). But now I will be aware that they are written quite the same but not exactly. So there's no doubt.
Thank's again
Re: need explainations about 嘅 (ge3) 02/27/2020 by Cécilia [+-]
Thank you very much.
I understand exactly where I was wrong. Due to my laziness ( laugh ), I decided that it was not THAT important to make the difference between the ge3 and ge2. And as i try to understand the ge3 with the cantolounge since the beginning and they didn't really speak of the ge2, I supposed that the ge3 was the one most used, most important. I was wrong.
Your second link will be very helpful.
So i must go back to the beginning, train my ears to make the difference with the two tones. I must learn all about the ge2.
Then i will go back to my songs and see if it was a ge2 or ge3 and i'm sure it will be clear.
By the way, i made also a big mistake in the I sentence, not seeing the difference between the dei6 (earth) and dei6 (plural). But now I will be aware that they are written quite the same but not exactly. So there's no doubt.
Thank's again
I understand exactly where I was wrong. Due to my laziness ( laugh ), I decided that it was not THAT important to make the difference between the ge3 and ge2. And as i try to understand the ge3 with the cantolounge since the beginning and they didn't really speak of the ge2, I supposed that the ge3 was the one most used, most important. I was wrong.
Your second link will be very helpful.
So i must go back to the beginning, train my ears to make the difference with the two tones. I must learn all about the ge2.
Then i will go back to my songs and see if it was a ge2 or ge3 and i'm sure it will be clear.
By the way, i made also a big mistake in the I sentence, not seeing the difference between the dei6 (earth) and dei6 (plural). But now I will be aware that they are written quite the same but not exactly. So there's no doubt.
Thank's again
